Avantair loves the use of an ops check where the the crew tries to recreate the issue once and the maintenance department ignores it even after repeat issues with that same problem day after day. I followed the start procedure with one eye as I did this and observed Villi checking the power lever at idle, switching on the fuel pump, and setting the start switch to start. At 13 percent Ng, he moved the condition lever to ground idle with the starter switch shut off at 40 percent Ng and the power lever to flight idle. The crew arrived at the intermediate airport and quickly boarded the two waiting passengers.Theydid not perform an adequate preflight inspection and departed about 5 minutes behind schedule. So we planned to visually line up with the runway on short final. Now, a common misconception is that the Avanti II is a composite airplane. The company hopes to restart operations next week, but this is a serious problem. Once having completed that check, we asked for and got a climb to FL 380, a common long-range cruising altitude for the P.180, which has a ceiling of 41,000 feet. The surface, which like the tail has a considerable amount of anhedral, is ice-protected, as is the windshield, by electric heat. At 160 knots, he handed control over to me, and we climbed at 2,500 fpm. Later versions of the P.180 included the P.180 Avanti I and P.180 Avanti II. He then lowered the seat and sat down. Its also remarkably wide for an airplane of its size. The cabin, interestingly, isnt symmetrical; its a little cozier up front than in back. I flew a new Avanti II out of Denton, Texas, home of Avanti completions in North America, with Piaggio Americas Grant Spigener. : EASA.A.059 Issue: 07 Date: 11 October 2012 1. a) Type P.180 b) Variant Avanti 2. Criminal Records include Lansing arrests, arrest warrants, search warrants, Really thinking nothing of it, I booked a flight from LAS to Orange COunty Ca today (coming back tomorrow). So to say that all is negative is wildly incorrect. Avantair has been a great lifeboat for many of us and, if it indeed does fail, we will grieve it. WebAs the factory-authorized training provider for Piaggio Aeros P.180 Avanti, Avanti II and Avanti EVO models, FlightSafety has created in-depth, type-specific programs to ensure that pilots and maintenance technicians of Piaggio Aero aircraft are equipped with the latest in safety training. The use of alloys instead of composites was a purposeful choice for Piaggio Aero, which certified the airplane more than 20 years ago at a time when there were few successful composite models and sheet metal seemed to augur a shorter approval program than plastics did. Considering the shape of the nose in front of you, this is handy, because the runway stays in easy view the entire time. We exited left at the end, and Lorenzo cleaned the aircraft up as I got my last chance to handle the Avanti Evo while we taxied back toward the ramp. We called for taxi instructions from Villanovas flight information service, The flare required is very small, just enough to cushion the touchdown, so the nose drops very quickly to the runway. The problem with the aft mounting is that the Avanti II has a very distinct exterior noise signature that is problematic while by all accounts the Avanti II is no noisier than other PT6-powered twins. Thats slightly less than 100 gallons per hour, a figure light jets simply cant touch. "Piaggio gets confirmation of Avanti speed records". AINonline. Aviation International News. Archived from the original on 5 September 2018. Retrieved 16 June 2017. ^ Aboulafia, Richard. In the process it doesnt hurt one bit that the Avanti II just so happens to be one of the sleekest and most beautiful airplanes ever built. A CEO and board that has taekn this company into a downward spiralouot of business in 3 monthsnice stock price!! Compared to the Avanti II it has redesigned nacelles, winglets, and a reshaped front wing, leading to a 3% reduction in emissions along with a 3% increase in climb performance. Piaggio can do it, too. If not, we hope that you find safe, efficient, and cost-effective travel options in the future. They have a history of lying. Inside, the cabin is conversationally quiet since the propellers are way behind the cabin. I am a fractional owner and the first I heard about this grounding was at 11pm last night when they sent me an email saying my flight for this morning was cancelled. WebThe pilot said he was flying the RNAV GPS runway 36 approach in 3 miles visibility and that the wind was from 070 at 9 knots. Once level, we were rewarded with what was nearly the top speed of the P.180, which was consistently 395 knots bumping up to that magical 400-knot figure on a couple of occasions, those figures at around 800 pounds per hour total. I selected terrain on my PFD to map the coastline. Bleed air would have been nice, but by the time it had traveled the distance from the engines, its not clear that it would have been very hot anymore, and the bleed air used to heat the wing leading edges robs the turboprops of a great deal of power to begin with. My friend, the Captain, requested the FO remain with the passengers, who continued their verbal tirade as the Captain DID complete a postflight, although abbreviated under duress. WebFlightSafety offers the only formal pilot and maintenance training programs available for the Piaggio P.180 Avanti, the Avanti II and the Avanti EVO. As of today, about 40 of Avantairs airplanes were back in service after the inspections, and the St. Petersburg, Fla.-based company expects to have its entire fleet flying again by Thursday. I suspect, that they may be going over all documents now for a variety of reasons. Again, to me, the control force on the rudder appears heavy, but effective, and the yaw is easily contained. I was pleasantly surprised at how nicely the Avanti II handles. By this I mean the Evo turns through the same number of degrees as your feet move on the pedals until you put in a sustained input when the full nosewheel deflection of 50 degrees is felt and the turning circle feels extremely nimble and asymmetric braking is not needed. Let me be clear here and confirm that they are just rumors. The hours they slave him out for is shameful But as soon as Lorenzo released the back pressure and added power, the aircraft recovered and we were flying at 140 knots. As we approached this, Lorenzo increased the back pressure and stopped trimming at 1.5 times the stall speed. RMR, if you are in Vegas, have you looked at AirSprint as an alternative? During the descent, we briefed for some stalls, the handling qualities of which Villi was obviously keen to show me. Well, pretty much all sold out. If the fleet was grounded last saturday then why were pilots sent out assignments to fly? Max cruise speed / 400 KTAS The front office of the Avanti Evo is the Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21. P180 Avanti Hydraulic. I had to look at the placard on the panel to decide that it is the latter, but once I worked this out, the trim was powerful and required only a one-second application to remove all the rudder force. The fuselage, wings, tail and forward wing of the airplane are metal, though admittedly metal that has been shaped and smoothed in a way that makes a compound curve look like childs play. With regard to maintenance all you need to do is get an engineer to do you monthly checks and for the big ones send it to Dusseldorf. AOPA Members DO more LEARN more SAVE more - Get MORE out of being a pilot -. Landing the P.180, as Id heard previously, is interesting in that the attitude is very flat. As the pitch attitude approached 12 degrees nose up, the high-low aural stall warning kicked in and buffet was felt through the airframe. With fully reversionary flat-screen displays with a host of safety utilities, including TCAS, TAWS, satellite weather and more, the avionics suite is top-notch, and Piaggio Aero has been working with Rockwell Collins since the introduction of the Avanti II to add upgrades as they became available. On the ground, however, the Avantis overflight noise footprint is on the high scale, which is typical of pusher designs. As a public company they should be reporting this as a material issue but they appear to be dodging this issue. I have knowledge of quite the contrary. When the crew tried to explain that MYF was below approach minimus due to the CAT B limitation, the owner used abusive language and accused them of lying. Piaggio succeeded in its design goals to create a large cabin as well as a very fast design that puts it squarely in the light jet arena. The seat is raised or lowered with a lever outboard to provide a view that should just about look down onto the top of the glareshield. Avantair and the FAA may call it voluntary, but it's all semantics. So last saturday I was scheduled to fly from Dallas to Las Vegas at noon. With the stick fully back, we reached 100 knots indicated but once again, as I released the back pressure and smoothly applied power, we recovered. We are confident we are laying the groundwork necessary to offer outstanding service and reliability going forward.. But this time no airplanes will return to service until next week, if ever. If Avantair does not make it through this we could probably partner of a cheap Piaggio. Acceleration feels fast, but steering through the rudders is positive and smooth, though it requires an easy touch to avoid darting about. Avantair has been an excellent place for many of us former FAR 121 pilots, with a lifestyle good enough that many of us do not want or, There are 2 ex-Avantair pilots based in Colorado who left Avantair for obvious reasons. That said both the plane and the company have been reliable for me for about 7 years. The anhedral of the forward wing ensures there is no aerodynamic interference with the engine intakes and assists in stall handling. The original $5.00 stock traded at .11 cents today, a loss of 98% of its value. Access to the cabin is straightforward, the upper two-thirds of the door on the port side, just behind the flight deck, opens toward the nose of the aircraft, and a gust lock keeps it flush to the side of the fuselage. One smart thing I did do was I bought my share as a resale thru a vendor and paid a whole lot less then I would have if I bought straight from Avantair. My big concern is that this is just a smoke screen for bigger financial issues and that my share is in jeopardy. Had this been a real emergency, flight deck oxygen masks are stowed outboard of each pilot seat, readily accessible. How do I get out of my lease and is there an opportunity for owners to get together to take action? Ive removed Kyles email address above since this is not a pilot placement service, and Ive also deleted a charter companys post trolling for business from Avantair customers. While the forward wing is not fitted with an elevator, it does have a flap, or set of flaps, depending on how you look at it. The price of the latest Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO is US $ 7.7 Million. We are enhancing our maintenance and operational infrastructure so that it surpasses every standard that applies to the aircraft we fly. We are not infallible, and mistakes have definitely been made, but we do not deserve the acrid bile from those on this board who have obvious agendas and would celebrate our downfall. So happy I left this rag tag joint when I did! Villanova requires a specific qualification as it sits in a bowl surrounded by mountains with an MSA of 11,200 feet to the west, so Villi briefed he would fly the departure from Runway 9 and demonstrate a performance takeoff. What we didnt fully realize is that over the next 20 years no light jet would emerge that could challenge the P.180s remarkable combination of speed, fuel efficiency and cabin size, a trifecta of strengths that has made it a popular transportation airplane with operators for whom efficiency, comfort and high style are the hallmarks of having arrived. Best for: Superior speed When Italys leading aerospace manufacturing company released the Piaggio Avanti EVO, they delivered on three key business demands: speed, comfort, and cost-effectiveness.Piaggio Aerospace blended the very best in Italian design with superb craftsmanship to create a high-performance aircraft that not only turns The wings are held level easily with aileron and a squeeze of rudder. In any event, they are going to be fighting an uphill battle, as each day that passes is going to cause people to want to cancel there "membership.". After two major incidents/accidents in eight months are not all fractional owners, their employees and their families scared to hell for their own safety??? Both crews included experienced professionals that could have easily been flying somewhere else. Companies in trouble do this to avoid the panic of "furlough" status. WebSECTION A: GENERAL, P.180 Avanti Type Design A.I. #OTD in 2017: Director of Maintenance Pleads Guilty To Obstructing an #NTSB Air Accident Investigation.https://t.co/P84ir4v0L5 #flightsafety #aviationsafety #aviationmaintenance pic.twitter.com/fA2oHltndZ, This information is added by users of ASN. Safety is Avantairs top priority. Both flights continued to their destinations without further incident. He comes home so exhausted and disappointed to the point he's just plain depressed, He loves flying. At FL380, you can expect 380 KTAS on 600 pounds per hour in an Avanti II. Todays airplane has the Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21 avionics suite, with all the bells and whistles. Whatever the outcome, it was and is an honor and a blast to serve our Owners and work with my fellow VNR employees. At 10:21:49, there was 1000 feet of vertical separation and 0.9 nautical miles of lateral separation between the two aircraft. There are more problems than I can fit on this post, but one of the first problems is that these airplanes are flying 2-3 times the hours that Piaggio ever envisioned they would or designed them for. departed the aircraft. PT6A-66(B) Because there is no overhead panel, I had sufficient head room to allow me to clumsily maneuver myself into position. These inspections and other actions are still underway. Luckily it was 2007 and we sold it just before the crash. To date, of the aircraft in the fleet that have been inspected, there have been no compliance or airworthiness issues. Piaggio Aero, on the other hand, is still steadily producing its model. Theoretically, a newly minted multiengine pilot with a high-altitude endorsement could hop right in and go flying. Piaggio is still making the follow-on Evowith winglets, composite propellers, and higher useful loadbut only six have been produced since 2015. Piaggios appearance at the Singapore Airshow in February lifted hopes somewhat that the design can survive. I have only been an owner for a short time but the flights I have taken have been flawless;The pilots seemed happy and very professional. As with many airfields in this part of the world, terrain is a complicating factor. During the takeoff roll, the left elevator departed the airplane and was found off the side of the runway 3 days later. Turboprops behave in certain ways, and jets in other ways, but the Avanti II is a true hybrid, a product that blends the best traits from two very different airplane categories to arrive at some third niche, which at present it occupies by itself. I know if they fold up its going to be a fiasco as technically we each own a piece of these airplanes so we have a bunch of partners that we don't even know. If this had happened at a big passenger airline, they would have been lauded for getting the aircraft to the runway. The Avanti II, I should probably mention, is a single-pilot airplane; it doesnt need a crew. The engines have pneumatic boots on the intake combining with an engine particle deviator door to avoid ice entering the engine core and a warm bleed air supply to the engine oil cooler intake. This is another advantage of a turboprop. Unfortunately, ill-fated business and maintenance practices eventually led to its bankruptcy in 2013. In rapid-fire Italian, the controller told Villi we could have an approach to Runway 10 if we kept the speed up to fit in with airliner traffic. A fully independent backup navigator can be installed as an option. The fuel penalty for flying in the 20s is not as extreme as it is in turbofan airplanes. At FL350, the speed remained stable even with back pressure applied to maintain altitude, and the aircraft was easy to control. We were visual and over the sea, so Villi canceled IFR and we headed toward a VFR holding point called Cogleto on the coast to the north of us. Once there, I found the cockpit comfortable. Please note that not all records are available electronically. We owned a King Air 200 several years ago in partnership with another company which was great except the other company ran into trouble and couldn't pay their half. Sounds like they are on life support and being read their last rights. I was told my aircraft was on extended maintenance (whatever that meant, now I know). In fact, Avantair late last year took possession of the 100th Avanti delivered in the United States, which has been far and away the models best market. The start-up sequence is pure PT6; its a completely pilot-controlled process. Several years ago I shared a King Air 200 with another company which was great until the partner got into financial trouble and couldn't pay their half. You know get them off the insurance roll. I followed Lorenzos example, if anything being a bit more aggressive with the speed decay. This kind of range makes the P.180 a great bet as a regional airplane or one thats based in the Midwest. Stay tuned. Taxi steering was selected on the column switch, and the airplane moved easily at our ramp weight of 10,800 pounds. Being a turboprop, however, it uses a fraction of the fuel jets would use. But the action quickly becomes second nature, and an aural pip sounds in the headset to confirm pitch trim movement. Many products featured on this site were editorially chosen. I'm a fractional owner and the first I heard about this fleet grounding was 11pm last night when I got an email from owner services saying my flights for this morning at 9am and return tomorrow were cancelled. Piaggio P.180 Avanti II: N141JT: Private: 0: Georgetown, TX: sub: 09-JUN-2018: Piaggio P.180 Avanti II: N977RS: private : 0: Tivat Airport (TIV/LYTV) w/o: 03-JAN-2019: Piaggio P.180 Avanti: N990RS: Rainbow Sandals Retail Inc. 0: 20 nm W of Kelowna, BC: Interestingly, the windscreen de-fog system is set up for single- Weather its a Normal procedures or abbreviated checklist, Ill take them. The approach speeds are very fast by turboprop standards. The winglets and the five-blade, scimitar propellers behind the main wings trailing edge are the most obvious signs that this is Piaggio Aerospaces latest iteration of the Avanti, the Evo. The company simply does not have the capacity to handle the demand and corners have been seriously cut to try to cover that demand with inadequate resources. Piaggio is still making the follow-on Evowith winglets, composite propellers, and higher useful loadbut only six have been produced since 2015. Mr. Sabatini previously was the top career official at the FAA. Now, on to the rumors about the FAA pulling Avantairs certificate. The plan for my flight was to climb to 30,000 up to the Wichita VOR to do something Id never done before, an RVSM check. Fortunately that was in 2007 and we sold it right before the crash. It wasnt the only fast turboprop twin with a forward wing the Beech Starship was a contemporary, though that company stopped production of the composite cabin-class twin shortly after it started it, admitting later that the composite model was so time-intensive to build that it was simply unprofitable. With all of these maitenence issues and issues regarding fudging pilot hours so they would be legal is scary. P180 Avanti Pitot and Static System. Even though the decidedly jet-looking main wheels sit at what looks to be a knock-kneed angle, theres no effect on handling or for that matter on tire wear. Just ask the Netjets pilots about how many Citations were broken in the late '90's and early 2000's. As the factory-authorized training provider for these aircraft, we have created in-depth, type-specific programs to ensure that pilots and technicians are equipped with the latest in safety training. The shape, youll see, is not simply for show, though ironically it shows very nicely. The upper fuselage curves to a peak height just in front of and above the main wing leading edge and then slopes downwards to join the lower fuselage upward curve at a point below the trailing edge of the T-tail that stands with its sharply swept back horizontal tailplane some 13.06 feet above the ramp. There is no elevator in it; hence, its not a canard. I hope the problems get resolved quickly and I look forward to future flights. I know from my perspective, it was going to be close as to whether I was going to use my minimum hours this year (even after being able to roll some to next year). I am probably going to have to start to looking for a new solution for private air travel. Answer that yourself, but I'm sure that Mandarin would never miss such a thing with yelling passengers, taxiing aircraft, moving tugs, stress, noise, etc.. Yes. Viewing this report requires Adobe Reader be installed on your device. In the end, the Avanti IIs configuration allows it to achieve light jet speeds in the same way as light jets do, by using a very small, highly loaded wing to go with a good dose of power. My trip has been scheduled for several days so I am perplexed on why they waited until 11pm the night before my trip to tell me about this issue. Any altimeter setting mismatch is shown by a yellow line beneath the altimeter setting on the PFD, and the pressurized cabin is set to climb at 300 fpm. Passenger oxygen deploys at 13,000 feet. On first glimpse, the cabin interior is impressive, with a two-place bench seat opposite the door, a single sideways-facing seat on the same side as the door and four club-arranged seats leading to a full privacy toilet. Seats / up to 11 P180 Avanti Special Cabin Configurations. A flight credit has very little value unless and until we fly again. This airframe, T7-ASG, SN3007 was the first Avanti to be produced at the new manufacturing facility in Villanova DAlbenga, one year after production was moved from Genoa. Then, Cessna built a tougher Citation which you see today - more ready for fractional use. Villi switched on the V-bar flight directors on the PFD of the Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21 flight instruments, selected flight level change (FLC), and synchronized the heading with a button push on the FGP on the glareshield. Piaggio will also increase the Evo's maximum zero fuel weight (MZFW) to 10,200 pounds, up from 9,800 pounds. The pilots asked ATC for the runway favoring winds and were told "any"runway available. In flight, the Avanti handles much like its competition, but the jet-like takeoff and landing speeds, lack of FADEC, narrow gear track, twitchy electric steering, and grabby carbon brakes combine to make the airplane more of a handful than your run-of-the-mill King Air or Cessna Conquest. They offered to find me a charter at MY EXPENSE, which just isn't right. The Aviation Safety Network is an exclusive service provided by: The twin-engine airplane departed 23 minutes behind schedule to pick up passengers at an intermediate airport. A lot of the airplane have recurring maintenance problems that just get put off until something really breaks and the airplane is grounded. Above FL200, the torque is allowed to reduce as ITT becomes the governing factor and we targeted approximately 800 deg C. The maximum continuous ITT is 820 degrees, but 785 degrees is recommended to produce rated horsepower in ISA conditions and improve engine life. I didnt alter it in any way I just cut and pasted what they sent me. P180 Avanti Ice and Rain Protection. WebPostaccident examination revealed both nose gear tires were deflated, and the right main tire had low air pressure. Of course, with higher operating weights you wont be able to carry as much fuel or, hence, get as much range, though the truth is that most flights in a 400-knot airplane are less than 1,000 nm anyway, and with a thousand-mile range as the target, you can liberally load the P.180. They are a public company and having your fleet grounded is a material issue yet they are not disclosing this issue as far as I can tell. Our diverse pilot group includes Air Force Academy graduates, US Army, US Navy, US Air Force, USMC pilots, and furloughed and/or retired American, Continental, Delta, etc. RMR, I'm in Jacksonville Florida but I am going so start looking for a partner or two to buy something together. This story is already out of date, as of today, 10/25/12, the entire is fleet is grounded for the foreseeable future. New eVTOL Aircraft Set to Co-exist Alongside Helicopters, Safran Signals 'War for Talent' within Civil Engine Aftermarket, Newly Certified HAL 228 Variant Attracts Indian Lessor, Vision Systems Brings Dimmable-window Solutions to Heli-Expo, Cessna Citation II: The 'Family Truckster', Training Providers Gear Up for AAM Market, A modest proposal to boost general aviation, FAA Should Use Its Nuclear Option To Save Americas Airports, Analyzing the GAMA 1Q10 aircraft delivery numbers, Mid-Year Aerospace & Air Transport Report. Is in turbofan airplanes broken in the 20s is not simply for,! 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